Posts by Mad Sweeney

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Comments from a real JW about the killing of apostates watchtower. You will be shocked..

by Hairyhegoat in

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this is a very good find from another jw only web site i have access to... hey i just found this on a link of my mom's that she is "friends" with, yes, still a jw...anyway, i had to copy/paste it so you could all see, thought it was a bit hilarious to see how they blatantly speak of keeping info from "outsiders.

" i did not copy the name of the person since that is not my point and i am not that disrespectful, but i did copy their comment...they were discussing the wt about killing all apostates and someone that was studying asked a question as to whether they all thought that was right or not, so here it is..............."james... although its a great article and very encouraging, as apostates do deserve to be murdered, it may not be such a good idea to reveal it our friend zeek at this moment.

he may find it a tad over the top.

Mad Sweeney

There are as many of us on the pro-JW/JW ONLY boards as there are JWs. LOL.

The point isn't whether that was posted (I'm certain that it was - by whom is the question) but whether any current JWs agreed with it, how many, and to what extent.

As Agent Zero said, it is a demonstration of the Borg absurdity to tweak the thoughts and feelings of the faithful on the site. If they disagree, they're "thinking independently" and "not following theocratic order." If they agree, they're agreeing with some of the most heinous statements possible, about people they know and thought they were supposed to love.

It's an excellent dissonance-creating technique. And Nelson Birdwell was the master at it, as mentioned.

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Is the Oct 30 WT study a Prelude to a Tithing towards the Soc.

by Quarterback in

it felt weird discussing this topic this week about this term, "share" of the levites.

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some made comments that alluded to the financial assistance that we are currently doing towards sponsoring the bethels around the world.. i wouldn't be surprised that a new thought comes out soon about that ten percent rule.. .

Mad Sweeney

Understood Sweney, but the three things you mention are up for debate. You believe one thing, and the Witnesses can prove theirs also with the scriptures. In regards to the 10% tithing, it would not be open for debate in my eyes.

I don't have the scripture in front of me but even if Jesus said, "You, my followers, shall never allow tithing in the Christian congregation," the Watchtower leadership could find a way to weasel around it if they wanted to.

"In Bible times and in some churches of modern-day Christendom, tithing implies a compulsory 10% contribution to the temple or church. Jesus spoke harshly against such tithing requirements. Today, true Christians do not give contributions "under compulsion" but willingly, "for God loves a cheerful giver." (2 Cor. 9:7) With this in mind, the "faithful and discreet slave" (Matt. 24:45) has lovingly arranged for the provision of automatic bank drafts, whereby faithful Christians can donate to the worldwide work on a regular monthly basis. This provision will make it convenient for those who are "ready to share" (1 Tim. 6:18) to do so routinely in an orderly way. (Phil. 3:16) Please note that due to the administrative bank charges associated with receiving funds via automatic bank draft, we will not be able to accept donations under $100.00." ~The Watchtower, some time in the not too distant future

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2010 Shepherd the Flock of God - guidance to elders on child abuse

by cedars in

i've recently had opportunity to examine certain sections of the 2010 "shepherd the flock of god" book, which is published exclusively for elders.

there are strict rules in place to prevent its disclosure to those who aren't appointed as elders.. i was particularly interested in what the book had to say on the subject of child abuse, given recent developments in victoria, australia.. on first glance, it strikes one that perhaps some small improvements have been made in as much as the contacting of police or the authorities by the victims is not to be discouraged whatsoever - however, it isn't necessarily encouraged either, and it is regarded as a purely 'personal decision' with no congregational repercussions.

however, a glaring ommission in this advice remains that elders are not advised to proactively encourage victims or their parents to contact the police, which is clearly what they should do in any case.

Mad Sweeney

The Borg leadership is incredibly paranoid and misogynistic. The issue was originally brought to light by an intelligent, hard-working woman. The victims (the Borg calls them "accusers") are mostly little girls (though there are certainly a good number of little boys that are molested, too). The Ted Jaracz types in the leadership are like, "I'll be damned if I'm going to let a woman tell us what's wrong with our policies and make us look bad in public! Besides, it's just a few little girls, and we all know how women can exaggerate stories, right guys?" <old men chuckling and nodding in agreement>

I think their intransigence on this issue is as simple as that. They're stubborn as hell. Look at how they hang on to 1914. They resist sudden change even when it is clearly in their best interests to do so. On the other hand, they are in a constant state of change and adaptation and noo lite formation. But it is gradual, so gradual that faithful JWs don't even realize that "the truth" their kids are learning is nothing like "the truth" that their grandparents learned.

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Just got a knock at the door....

by Found Sheep in

it was omaha steak salesman.

i am home alone with the doors open.

they would not take no for an answer.... they made me feel uncomfortable!!.

Mad Sweeney

I bought some meat from a door to door salesman once. It was decent enough but not any better (quality or price) than I could get at the store.

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Paul's Out-Of-Body Experience - How did we Miss This?

by wordfamine.com in

the watchtower teaches that there is no such thing as a spirit or soul leaving the body that can consciously experience anything in heaven unless you are annointed and you die.

and the body certainly couldn't go in their view.

however the apostle paul plainly taught otherwise.

Mad Sweeney

IIRC, the Dubs think it was just a "dream" or a "vision" given to Paul. They totally undermine what it actually SAYS in order to preserve THEIR OWN DOCTRINE.

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You Can Live Forever In Paradise on Earth!

by gubberningbody in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhkpoz4sroe.

if you leave the borg now!.

Mad Sweeney

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Is the Oct 30 WT study a Prelude to a Tithing towards the Soc.

by Quarterback in

it felt weird discussing this topic this week about this term, "share" of the levites.

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some made comments that alluded to the financial assistance that we are currently doing towards sponsoring the bethels around the world.. i wouldn't be surprised that a new thought comes out soon about that ten percent rule.. .

Mad Sweeney

Actually it is not possible. Asking for a fixed 10% would mean that they are not following Christ's instructions.

And that's impossible why? They don't follow Christ's instructions at The Memorial, the MOST SACRED NIGHT of the year. They don't follow his instructions to "Stop judging!" They don't follow Christ's instructions about not beating their fellow slaves (Matt. 24:46). Why would they give a hoot about his instructions about a 10% tithing?

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How important is or will be the WWC case? too good to be true?

by Aussie Oz in

how important is it now and how important will it be?.

i think of some of the cases in history that the wt has fought.... the 40s and 50s were spent defending the right to preach.

ok pretty important gains for everyone in freedom of speech etc.

Mad Sweeney

A free thinker that believes in "absolute truth." Ok.

Welcome. You seem to have everything covered. Nevertheless I hope you learn something here.

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CD-rom

by Justitia Themis in

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so...i'm still working on my paper for law school regarding jws and the mature minor doctrine, and i am in desperate need of the most recent (or relatively recent) cd-rom so i can document my sources.

if anyone knows of a link or is willing to part with an anctual cd, please, please contact me.

Mad Sweeney

Someone usually releases the latest version in December. . .

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Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank

by AndersonsInfo in

victoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.

(this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.

i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.

Mad Sweeney

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